Please! Help to identify alfred or not?

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Hi at all!

Some times ago I have bought this 2 adult c.b salamanders as alfredschmidti from tendy valley.

But a my friend who has see the pictures has told me that for he they aren't alfredschmidti but bernardezi.

This is a problem for me, I want to be sure because I want to mixing they with an other my alfredschmidti group.

Please what do you think? Are they alfedschmidti or not?
 

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Alfredshmidti is a local variation of bernardezi. In fact it´s not recognized as a subspecies (or wasn´t at least until recently, i´m not clear on the current situation) of it´s own.
If you have both the "bernardezi" variety and the "alfredschmidti" variety i wouldn´t mix them, it would be a real shame to loose the locality purity.
 
They are recognised as a subspecies since 2006 if I'm correct. They do look like a lot of alfred's I saw but I guess you have to take the word of the breeder ;)
 
Nice animals there!!!
They are alfredschmidti to be sure, but as previously said, i would keep this form seperate from the more normal brown form, i have some papers on the alfredschmidti i can e mail you, which you can see the subtle differences in the 2 species.

i keep the brown form, because they are so different to the other salamandra, but they are still stunning little animals,

Ben
 
Alfredschmidtii is a recognized subspezies since 2006 see Köhler, G. & S. Steinfartz (2006): A new subspecies of the fire salamander, Salamandra salamandra (Linnaeus, 1758) from the Tendi valley, Asturias, Spain. Salamandra, Rheinbach, 42(1): 13-20.

The animals you showed look pretty much as bernardezi, see Salamanderland

The alfredtschmidiis are very varaible in coloration and there are animal that look like yours.

I would ask the breeder/seller for more information.

I agree not to mix.

See you

Uwe
 
Hi at all and thank'you

Who has sold me this pair, has sold as alfredschmidti ssp, and there was another pair but this was totally brown..

I dont know..indecision
 
I had the brown pair:D
 
Hi Ben
Perfect!!! :)

can you know the breeder and to be sure if my 2 sals are alfredschmidti from tendi valley? (So I can mixing with other specimens of alfredschmidti from tendi... in totally secure..)
 
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