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This guy might as well be a ghost. I believe this is a albino melenoid. Any thoughts?
 

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Should name him casper if your keeping him/her...havent got a clue not seen one like that before but is a beautie!

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If you look up melanoid animals in general they are all black/dark so i think it's impossible to be albino and melanoid (someone correct me if I am wrong, genetics isn't my thing!)
But that is amazing I have not seen one like that before... Is it alive? Where is his blood flow?! Are you pulling our leg and turning it black and white :lol:? Please keep us updated as he grows
 
hayleykahnita said:
If you look up melanoid animals in general they are all black/dark so i think it's impossible to be albino and melanoid (someone correct me if I am wrong, genetics isn't my thing!)
But that is amazing I have not seen one like that before... Is it alive? Where is his blood flow?! Are you pulling our leg and turning it black and white :lol:? Please keep us updated as he grows
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Sorry, Hayley, an axie can be both melanoid AND albino - since melanoid is the absence of iridophores and reduced xanthaphores, and albino is the absence of melanophores.

An axie with both would be white/pale pink, with pink eyes, and no iridophores. Baby albinos are often almost invisible though, I had a few that were impossible to make out on a white background until they moved.

But I have to agree that the photo is over-exposed making the axie look even paler than it probably is.
 
Here is one of my 'white' babies - at days 1, 3, and 10 - you can see the development of colour, but you can see how pale it was on day one.
(Opops, repeated the day 1 pic)
 

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I did use a flash, so it does appear a little whiter. Here is an iPhone picture from last week. You can see the blood flow better in this one. However, doesn't look as healthy as the current picture from this morning. We have two of them so I am not sure if this second picture is of the picture I took this morning.
 

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Much better - you can see the pinkness now! And his heart. He looks fine to me.
 
Yes, the two that we have are a pale color but a very odd looking white compared to normals. It's been an interesting journey. :)
 
I had a melanoid albino among the eggs I hatched - he looked pretty much like yours, even when his back legs were grown he was still pretty colourless except for being a faint pink. His new owner did name him Casper!
 
Yeah, it is really interesting how white/faint pink they are. Throw in the gfp mutation and my brain is spinning on second guesses. :/
 
Looks like one to me. I've got 4 in my batch of babies right now :)
 
Very cool, are any of yours gfps? If so, can you please add a picture? I am having some troubles identifying the accurately.
 
I don't own any GFPs. My animals are beloved pets first, but they're also breeding stock, and I have no interest in breeding GFPs.

You should be able to identify a GPF by their green eye color. See here.
 
auntiejude said:
Sorry, Hayley, an axie can be both melanoid AND albino - since melanoid is the absence of iridophores and reduced xanthaphores, and albino is the absence of melanophores.

An axie with both would be white/pale pink, with pink eyes, and no iridophores. Baby albinos are often almost invisible though, I had a few that were impossible to make out on a white background until they moved.

But I have to agree that the photo is over-exposed making the axie look even paler than it probably is.
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Thanks for clearing that up! I've never heard of albino melanoid, the absence of iridophores and xanthophores would make it what, a pink albino? Since it has no xanthophores it can't be golden right? Is an albino melanoid just a regular pink albino, if no what makes it different from other albinos :confused: ?
 
hayleykahnita said:
Thanks for clearing that up! I've never heard of albino melanoid, the absence of iridophores and xanthophores would make it what, a pink albino? Since it has no xanthophores it can't be golden right? Is an albino melanoid just a regular pink albino, if no what makes it different from other albinos :confused: ?
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It gets a little confusing but think about it like what does each gene do?
Albino is lack of melanophores
Melanoid is over expression of melanophores AND "reduction" in xanthophores AND lack of iridophores

A normal albino can have xanthophores and iridophores in normal concentrations

So combined together yields an individual that lacks melanphores AND iridophores but has a small amount of xanthophores which gives it some yellow markings as it gets older.

EDIT: I checked and the albinism gene can increase in xanthophores as well and thats where goldens come from. The melanism gene is still going to reduce them though.
 
Albinos really only come in 2 colours - golden and white. None have melanophores (brown spots).

A golden albino has xanthaphores (yellow spots) and iridophores (shiney spots).

A white albino can be one of 3 types:
Melanoid - where there are no iridophores and very few xanthaphores
Axanthic - where there are no xanthaphores and virtually no iridophores
Leucistic - where any pigment cells are confined to the head and spine, but you can't usually see them very well.

All of these look pretty similar - pale flat pink with pink eyes and no other markings.

And Boomsloth is right on the overproduction of pigment in melanoids and albinos - it seem the 'spaces' left by lack of certain pigment cells are filled by whatever pigment cells are there.
 
Boomsloth said:
Melanoid is over expression of melanophores AND "reduction" in xanthophores AND lack of iridophores
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This is what confused me, in my other studies of the skin/anatomy I was taught that melanin causes our tan/hair color/darker pigments. That being taught to me I assumed melanoid meant dark pigment thus I thought albino and melanoid were at the opposite ends :lol:.

genetics is still so confusing....
 
hayleykahnita said:
This is what confused me, in my other studies of the skin/anatomy I was taught that melanin causes our tan/hair color/darker pigments. That being taught to me I assumed melanoid meant dark pigment thus I thought albino and melanoid were at the opposite ends :lol:.

genetics is still so confusing....
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Yes they are always thought of as opposites
I'll try to break down all the colors I know of right now
Albino: No melanophores, has Xanthophores, has iridophores (This gene alone = Golden Albino)
Melanoid: No iridophores, Increased melanophores, decreased xanthophores
Axanthic: No xanthophores, No iridophores, has melanophores (not increased so not as dark as melanoids)
Leucistic: Prevents pigment from migrating resulting in non-pigmented individuals (some pigment can migrate depending on gene variation i.e. speckled)

Leucistic + albino = White albino
Leucistic + melanoid = leucistic with black eyes with no ring of iridophores
Leucistic + axanthic = leucistic with black eyes with no ring of iridophores
Albino + melanoid = Albino with no iridophores, contains some xanthophores
Albino + axanthic = almost white albino, yellows with age due to riboflavins

I don't know about the copper variation but I've heard it might be affecting a different type of pigment. Its also possible of having 3 or all of these different recessive genes, I would think that would lead to an axolotl that lacks all pigment and resembles a white albino. Don't forget either that there is always some variation amongst these leading to those super golden, super dark, or just different colored axolotls.
 
hayleykahnita said:
Thanks for clearing that up! I've never heard of albino melanoid, the absence of iridophores and xanthophores would make it what, a pink albino? Since it has no xanthophores it can't be golden right? Is an albino melanoid just a regular pink albino, if no what makes it different from other albinos :confused: ?
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Melanoid albinos develop a yellowy colour with age
 
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